James Hull, Author at TechNode https://technode.com/author/james-hull/ Latest news and trends about tech in China Mon, 07 Sep 2020 07:08:03 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://technode.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/cropped-cropped-technode-icon-2020_512x512-1-32x32.png James Hull, Author at TechNode https://technode.com/author/james-hull/ 32 32 20867963 INSIGHTS | What’s at stake in fight over delisting Chinese firms https://technode.com/2020/09/07/insights-whats-at-stake-in-fight-over-delisting-chinese-firms/ Mon, 07 Sep 2020 07:07:45 +0000 https://technode.com/?p=150776 STAR publicly listed Market Chinext Nasdaq Investors trading IPO public delisting digital brokersWashington is threatening delisting for Chinese companies if they don't comply with tighter audit rules. But there's still room for a deal.]]> STAR publicly listed Market Chinext Nasdaq Investors trading IPO public delisting digital brokers

Everyone can see that the diplomatic, economic, and trade relationship between the United States and China is deteriorating. A subset of the issues plaguing the relationship stem from recent fraudulent behavior from Chinese companies listed in US markets.

Washington is trying to fight the opacity of these publicly traded Chinese firms to protect US investors, in part spurred by revelations of Luckin Coffee’s fraudulent behavior earlier this year. The last month has seen the SEC open investigations into two more US-listed Chinese tech companies, while US politicians are considering a delisting ultimatum to force Chinese companies to provide more information to regulators.

Fraud is not unusual in publicly listed companies, and no nation is immune to it. What is unusual is the strong response from US regulators looking for enhanced audit oversight, and their explicit targeting of Chinese companies.

The question is: what does this mean for US-listed companies and markets.

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James Hull is an analyst, portfolio manager, and co-host of TechNode’s China Tech Investor podcast

Bottom line: US authorities have long complained about their ability to scrutinize Chinese companies’ books, but China’s rules don’t clearly forbid it and SEC investigations into Iqiyi and GSX Techedu could be a chance to make a deal. Nothing is set in stone (or law) yet, but Chinese companies are already moving to what is, perhaps, a better home for them: Hong Kong.

Foreign vs. domestic filers: Foreign firms listed in the US have different listing requirements than domestic firms, and have for a long time. For example, foreign filers are not required to file quarterly reports, many companies do file them anyway, but they aren’t required by the SEC. Foreign filers also don’t have to disclose executive compensation in proxy statements because proxy statements are not required, nor are insider sales (Section 16 filings). Currently the PCAOB does not have an agreement with Chinese authorities allowing for oversight of US-listed Chinese company auditors.

Why tighten regulations now? I believe it is driven by retail investor losses from Luckin Coffee, the extent of that fraud, and the large amount of press coverage Luckin Coffee enjoyed as the “Starbucks challenger,” and DC taking a more hawkish turn on China in recent years.

A brief timeline

US-listed Chinese equities have had a rough time in 2020.

  • Jan. 31: Anonymous short report on Luckin Coffee claims the coffee startup inflated sales by more than 69%  in Q3 2019 and 88% in Q4 of the same year.
  • April 2: Luckin Coffee admits to falsifying almost RMB 2.2 billion in sales.
  • April 6: Wolfpack Research short report on Iqiyi, accusing the streaming service of revenue fraud.
  • May 20: Holding Foreign Companies Accountable Act (HFCA) passes in the Senate.
  • Aug. 6: President’s Working Group (PWG) press release and report are released by the Treasury Department.
  • Aug. 13: Iqiyi discloses SEC investigation, shares tumble.
  • Sept. 2: GSX Techedu discloses SEC investigation, shares tumble.

The proposed regulatory environment

The HFCA bill: Per the Congressional Research Service’s summary, the bill would require that:

  1. Publicly listed companies must establish they are not owned or controlled by a foreign government.
  2. They must declare whether their auditor is subject to Public Company Accounting Oversight Board (PCAOB)  inspection.
  3. Companies are given three years of non-inspection by the PCAOB, and then they are banned from trade on US exchanges, if they are not properly inspected.
  4. If a company’s auditor is not subject to oversight by PCAOB, then it must disclose the percentage of shares owned by governmental entities, whether the governmental entities have a controlling financial interest, information on any board members who are officials of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), and whether the articles of incorporation contain any “charter of the CCP.”

The PWG report: The working group is an advisory group convened by the president. It’s made a series of recommendations, mostly for the SEC, to adopt similar rules, but on a tighter deadline:

  • Enhanced listing requirements that guarantee access to audit working papers.
  • A suite of extra disclosures and guidance meant to shed light on the risks of investing in non-cooperating jurisdictions.
  • Currently listed companies have until Jan. 1, 2022 to comply, and new listings (IPOs) must comply before trading.

The PCAOB: The regulator at the center of the conflict is a relatively young body that specializes in overseeing the accounting firms that audit US-listed companies. It’s separate from the Securities and Exchange Commission, which enforces securities laws and regulates stocks and options and the exchanges on which they are traded.

  • The PCAOB was established by Sarbanes Oxley Act of 2002, a law created in the aftermath of accounting scandals like Enron.
  • The Texas energy company went bankrupt in 2001 after years of misleading shareholders. Its auditor, Arthur Andersen, was found guilty of obstructing justice for shredding documents. Its business never recovered.
  • The PCAOB regularly oversees non-US auditors who work for US-listed companies. However, it complains that China does not provide the access the board needs to do effective oversight.

Unanswered questions

The grey area: Can the PCAOB inspect US-listed Chinese company books? Depends who you ask.

  • Yi Huimin, the Chairman of China’s Securities Regulatory Commission, told Caixin that China has never prohibited or prevented Chinese companies from providing audit working papers to foreign regulators. He added that such information exchange should be conducted through regulatory cooperation and comply with security and confidentiality regulations.
  • In their filings, Chinese companies tell a different story. Most US-listed Chinese companies disclose in their Risk Factors their auditors operating in China are “not permitted to be subject to inspection by the PCAOB” (quote from Bilibili’s filing; many others have similar language).
  • So, PCAOB inspection is neither explicitly prohibited nor explicitly permitted, the proverbial “gray area.”

Could they reach a deal? Many countries’ audit oversight authorities have cooperative arrangements with the PCAOB. The agreements are signed between either an independent audit oversight authority or a securities exchange regulator.

  • China doesn’t have independent audit oversight, so an agreement would likely be between the PCAOB and China’s stock market watchdog, the China Securities Regulatory Commission (CSRC). A trial joint inspection was attempted in 2017, but failed to achieve agreement.
  • Maybe the current on-going SEC investigation into Iqiyi will provide an opportunity for the SEC and the CSRC to hash out the issues and cooperate. This is something I will be watching.

Unclear deadline: How much time do US-listed Chinese companies have to get compliant? Again, it depends.

  • According to the HFCA: three years from whenever the law becomes effective.
  • But the clock isn’t ticking yet. To become law, HFCA would need to pass the House of Representatives and be signed by the President.
  • While these steps have not happened yet, they can happen in one or two days if there’s sufficient political motivation.
  • According to the PWG recommendation: Jan. 1, 2022 for currently listed companies, new listings would have to comply immediately, or at least as soon as exchanges adopt the requirement.
  • If the SEC and CRSC can come to a workable understanding on Iqiyi, it could bode well for all US-listed Chinese companies. In the best case, they may be able to tick the PCAOB oversight box immediately.

Early responses

Chinese firms flock to Hong Kong: Even though a tighter US regulatory environment for Chinese publicly listed companies is still under construction, Chinese tech firms have indicated their intention to move away from American markets.  

  • In the last 12 months, many US-listed Chinese firms have listed or plan to list shares on the Hong Kong Exchange. Companies already listed include Alibaba (HK:9988), JD.com (HK:9618), Beigene (HK:6160) and Netease (HK:9999).
  • Unlike its big brother Alibaba, Ant Group will list simultaneously in the Shanghai and Hong Kong stock exchanges, the fintech giant said in July.
  • Markets speculate that more firms will follow, including Baidu, Iqiyi, Wuba, Sogou, China Distance Education, among others.

Hong Kong is a better home for these companies: Listing in the US has been popular in recent decades because of easier listing requirements, allowance of dual-class shares, a deep and liquid market, an investor base that was eager for growth and technology companies, and the fact the companies and their shareholders could receive US dollars for their shares, a global currency free of capital controls. But the Hong Kong Exchange has been improving in many areas.

  • Since April 2018 Hong Kong allows dual-class share structures that are popular with technology companies. Secondary and dual-class listings will benefit from passive flows with the Hang Seng Indexes allowing them in their market indices from August 2020.
  • There are also natural advantages for listing in Hong Kong. Hong Kong investors benefit from proximity to China and being embedded in Asia, making them more familiar with these markets and domestic trends. They operate in the same time zone.
  • There is little-to-no language barrier for Hong Kong investors, Cantonese speakers are 96% of Hong Kong, according to Language Magazine, and they can read Mandarin.
  • The Hong Kong Exchange is a deep and liquid market. The Hong Kong Dollar is still freely convertible into other currencies.

Looking ahead: Regardless of whether the SEC, PCAOB, and CSRC can reach an agreement, I expect more Chinese companies to make the move to Hong Kong, assuming convertibility of HK Dollar continues unabated. Perhaps they’ll even follow Ant Group and seek a dual Hong Kong-Shanghai listing.

READ MORE: Ant Group IPO filings: five key takeaways

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Breaking down quarterly earnings from BABA, JD, and PDD https://technode.com/2020/09/01/breaking-down-quarterly-earnings-from-baba-jd-and-pdd/ Tue, 01 Sep 2020 06:09:57 +0000 https://technode.com/?p=150626 China tech investor earnings with Michael Norris coverElliott, James, and Michael Norris discuss quarterly earnings reports of Alibaba, JD, and Pinduoduo, and what investors can expect.]]> China tech investor earnings with Michael Norris cover

China Tech Investor is a weekly look at China’s tech companies through the lens of investment. Each week, hosts Elliott Zaagman and James Hull go through their watch list of publicly listed tech companies and also interview experts on issues affecting the macroeconomy and the stock prices of China’s tech companies.

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In an earnings season tradition, Elliott and James bring on Michael Norris to discuss the quarterly earnings reports of Alibaba, JD, and Pinduoduo, and discuss what investors should be looking for from them going forward.

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Hosts may have interest in some of the stocks discussed. The discussion should not be construed as investment advice or a solicitation of services.

Get the PDF of the China Consumer Index.

Watchlist:

  • Tencent
  • Alibaba
  • Baidu
  • iQiyi
  • Xiaomi
  • JD
  • Pinduoduo
  • Meituan-Dianping
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Tencent earnings, Pinduoduo’s 20-F, and digital currency in China with Wolfie Zhao https://technode.com/2020/05/22/tencent-earnings-pinduoduos-20-f-and-digital-currency-in-china-with-wolfie-zhao/ Fri, 22 May 2020 02:59:35 +0000 https://technode.com/?p=139035 Alibaba Pinduoduo Bilibili earningsChina Tech Investor is a weekly look at China’s tech companies through the lens of investment. Each week, hosts Elliott Zaagman and James Hull go through their watch list of publicly listed tech companies and also interview experts on issues affecting the macroeconomy and the stock prices of China’s tech companies. Make sure you don’t […]]]> Alibaba Pinduoduo Bilibili earnings

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Make sure you don’t miss anything. Check out our lineup of China tech podcasts

This week, the guys welcome Coindesk Asia Editor Wolfie Zhao to the pod to discuss the latest progress in China’s development of a digital currency, and also swap stories of the exciting and dynamic gray market in China that has built up around cryptocurrency mining and trading. James and Elliott also look into Pinduoduo’s 20-F and discuss the latest earnings reports from Tencent and JD.

Please note, the hosts may have interest in some of the stocks discussed. The discussion should not be construed as investment advice or a solicitation of services.

Get the PDF of the China Consumer Index.

Watchlist:

  • Tencent
  • Alibaba
  • Baidu
  • iQiyi
  • Xiaomi
  • JD
  • Pinduoduo
  • Meituan-Dianping
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How COVID-19 is a ‘new retail’ tipping point with Michael Zakkour https://technode.com/2020/04/22/how-covid-19-is-a-new-retail-tipping-point-with-michael-zakkour/ Wed, 22 Apr 2020 07:22:09 +0000 https://technode.com/?p=137312 China Tech Investor is a weekly look at China’s tech companies through the lens of investment. Each week, hosts Elliott Zaagman and James Hull go through their watch list of publicly listed tech companies and also interview experts on issues affecting the macroeconomy and the stock prices of China’s tech companies. Make sure you don’t […]]]>

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Make sure you don’t miss anything. Check out our lineup of China tech podcasts.

In this episode, the guys welcome back Michael Zakkour, Founder and Chief Strategist of 5 New Digital. They discuss how the demands of the COVID-19 pandemic have spurred a leap forward in e-commerce and new retail in both China and the US, and which firms are positioned to benefit. James and Elliott also look at Meituan’s earnings, as well as recent short-report allegations of iQiyi.

Please note, the hosts may have interest in some of the stocks discussed. The discussion should not be construed as investment advice or a solicitation of services.

Get the PDF of the China Consumer Index.

Watchlist:

  • Tencent
  • Alibaba
  • Baidu
  • iQiyi
  • Xiaomi
  • JD
  • Pinduoduo
  • Meituan-Dianping
  • Luckin Coffee

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Luckin: The writing was on the wall with Michael Norris https://technode.com/2020/04/07/luckin-the-writing-was-on-the-wall-with-michael-norris/ Tue, 07 Apr 2020 03:56:45 +0000 https://technode.com/?p=136258 Michael, and the hosts, have been bearish on Luckin for quite some time.]]>

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In this episode, the guys bring on CTI regular Michael Norris to discuss Luckin Coffee’s recent admission of fraud. Michael was an early skeptic of Luckin, identifying potential red flags around the company in the spring of 2019. Michael, James, and Elliott discuss the timeline for Luckin leading up to this admission, and what the potential fallout could be.

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Get the PDF of the China Consumer Index.

Watchlist:

  • Tencent
  • Alibaba
  • Baidu
  • iQiyi
  • Xiaomi
  • JD
  • Pinduoduo
  • Meituan-Dianping
  • Luckin Coffee

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Tencent, JD, PDD earnings, and Jeffrey Towson discusses the battle royale for services. https://technode.com/2020/03/26/tencent-jd-pdd-earnings-and-jeffrey-towson-discusses-the-battle-royale-for-services/ Thu, 26 Mar 2020 05:29:55 +0000 https://technode.com/?p=135527 China Tech Investor is a weekly look at China’s tech companies through the lens of investment. Each week, hosts Elliott Zaagman and James Hull go through their watch list of publicly listed tech companies and also interview experts on issues affecting the macroeconomy and the stock prices of China’s tech companies. Make sure you don’t […]]]>

China Tech Investor is a weekly look at China’s tech companies through the lens of investment. Each week, hosts Elliott Zaagman and James Hull go through their watch list of publicly listed tech companies and also interview experts on issues affecting the macroeconomy and the stock prices of China’s tech companies.

Make sure you don’t miss anything. Check out our lineup of China tech podcasts

In this episode, the guys welcome professor Jeffrey Towson to discuss the ongoing battle over the digital services sector in China, as Alibaba, Meituan, Baidu, and others fight on a rapidly-changing battlefield. James and Elliott also chat about the “COVID recession,” investment strategies, and go over the quarterly earnings of Tencent, Pinduoduo, and JD. 

Please note, the hosts may have interest in some of the stocks discussed. The discussion should not be construed as investment advice or a solicitation of services.

Get the PDF of the China Consumer Index.

Watchlist:

  • Tencent
  • Alibaba
  • Baidu
  • iQiyi
  • Xiaomi
  • JD
  • Pinduoduo
  • Meituan-Dianping
  • Luckin Coffee

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Pinduoduo’s free cash flow conundrum https://technode.com/2019/03/22/pinduoduos-free-cash-flow-conundrum/ https://technode.com/2019/03/22/pinduoduos-free-cash-flow-conundrum/#comments Fri, 22 Mar 2019 08:29:06 +0000 https://technode-live.newspackstaging.com/?p=98974 pinduoduo colin huang e-commerceTo what extent is the cash in payables to merchants and merchant deposits freely usable by Pinduoduo?]]> pinduoduo colin huang e-commerce

Pinduoduo is growing fast, but it’s burning cash to do it. Can they keep this up?

They have 113 million more active buyers on an annual basis than JD.com and grew revenue 652% last year. But they spent more than their revenues on sales and marketing, which includes discount promotions. Sales and marketing expenses grew even faster than revenues last year at 900%.

The key question is whether the company is bringing in enough cash to cover its spending. This is measured by a figure called free cash flow, a measure of the cash produced that is free to be used by the firm for whatever they want.

If Pinduoduo is free cash flow positive they’ll likely be able to continue their growth spend and get even larger. If its free cash flow negative, the growth plan will put too much strain on their cash position and, it will eventually fail. To say it simply: the stakes are high.

Pinduoduo announced 2018 results on March 13, and at first glance it looks like Pinduoduo is producing tons of cash: “net cash provided by operating activities” was over RMB 7.7 billion (about $1.15 billion).

But wait—they are including restricted cash in this figure. Restricted cash cannot be included in free cash flow, because it isn’t freely usable by the company.

Pinduoduo’s most recent press release does not give the components of net cash from operating activities, so I need to go back to their Form F-1 filed on June 29, 2018. There you can see three large changes in operating assets and liabilities: restricted cash, payables to merchants and merchant deposits.

What are these items, and how much of it is free for Pinduoduo to use? According to “Note 2: Summary of Significant Accounting Policies” in Pinduoduo’s IPO prospectus: “Restricted cash represents cash received from consumers and reserved in a bank supervised account for payments to merchants.” Restricted cash is not freely usable and therefore should be excluded from free cash flow.

Payables to merchants appear to arise when a customer orders a product, pays for it, and the cash is held in an account waiting to be paid to the merchant. Pinduoduo’s merchant FAQ website says merchant withdrawals are typically fulfilled within 2-4 days of a request. It sounds quite like the restricted cash definition above.

I would like to point out that payables to merchants reflects transactions on Pinduoduo’s marketplace, and does not contribute to Pinduoduo’s revenue. Pinduoduo’s revenue is composed of online marketing services and commissions on transactions. Payables are a function of their “GMV”—an acronym which resembles the gross merchandise volume reported by other platforms, but which is calculated with a non-standard approach that includes all orders “regardless of whether the products and services are actually sold, delivered or returned” and likely includes many merchant shipping fees. Pinduoduo does not spell out the acronym.

Merchant deposits, according to the merchant FAQ website are required by personal or enterprise accounts in order to unlock the restrictions on the “free” merchant accounts, such as the ability to withdraw funds. Deposits will be returned to the merchant after they close their virtual shop.

The reader may be familiar with what happened to Ofo, the bike-sharing company, when they allegedly mismanaged customer deposits: 10 million users applied for refunds and their CEO was placed on government blacklist.

Here’s the big question: to what extent is the cash in payables to merchants and merchant deposits freely usable by Pinduoduo?

My opinion, based on reading the filings available as of today, is that payables to merchants are restricted cash, and that merchant deposits may be freely usable if there isn’t a wave of requests in a short time period—call it 50% freely usable.

A prudent free cash flow calculation for Pinduoduo might look like this:

Pinduoduo has proven they can grow their marketplace with growth spending: promotions, advertising, online/offline marketing and so on. If they are free cash flow positive, then awesome! They can keep growing. But if not, it’s going to require a change in strategy. It could force them to back off their growth spend and, growth could flatten—or worse, decline. Worst case, if the company is using “restricted cash” accounts as free cash it could experience a bank-run type situation as merchants request their deposits back and its payables to merchants account declines.

What could change my view? More clarity and disclosures around the nature of payables to merchants and merchant deposits: to what extent are these accounts restricted? Pinduoduo will file a Form 20-F in the coming weeks and they are required to disclose the nature of the restrictions on cash. I will be waiting with bated breath.

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